I got this from another Hip Hop forum somebody had posted *WARNING*: it's really lengthy.....there's a part 2 to this lengthy rant. This is part 1 so if you have the time, read everything in detail.



Biggie was mediocre rapper with a generic message (stuff blueprints are made of) and limited scope. He gave ugly New Yorkers pride that lacking loyalty and being a trick when you get the money is still the American way. He showed how awesome it was to be disgustingly out of shape and partially deformed and that even being so you could still be made famous for rhyming peel more skins then Idaho potato's the cleverness in the metaphors is astounding. His non-threatening to white society approach made Quasi Gangsta rap a media darling. His pop-friendly club songs evoked a following of gluttonous New Yorkers and wannabe, lushes and dope fiends. He made it alright and cool to mix weed and crack. A truly cautious man like Biggie could look at 2 people at once thus ensuring his safety. In reality, Biggie owes his super stardom to Tupac, who should also be credited with bringing back relevance to New York Hip Hop. Had Pac not shit on Biggie, New York would never have united to form a coalition against Pac and the West Coast. While Pac won the war with Biggie and the rest of his enemies verbally, the public lost because bullshit semi-gangsta Hip Pop won the radio war with Pac's Death. Now we have 50 Cent and Soulja boy as epitomes of rap music, Biggie worshipers now have Jigga to dick ride along with 50 and Hip Hop culture loses. Thank you Biggie...your betrayals, minuscule range, sell-out ideologies created the power structure in Hip Hop today and the art is obviously better for it...It is not that I hate the East for example. I got love for the Wu. They had it on lock with the streets and were beasts in their rhymes. Wu should have had a much more prominent role in today's Hip Hop. But, that is where Puffy and Big had them beat, as they were not something media friendly and controllable like Bad Boy, Jigga just took what they had at Bad Boy and further refined it and kept it moving...Only person who can give Jigga a run for it as far as the media friendly is concerned is 50 but again, as I said they both owe the foundations to Biggie...


Be honest, in the industry who has more influence on the music we hear? Puffy or RZA? Again, I love the Wu I wish it was not true that Puffy has more influence, that Jigga has more influence, 50 has more influence, but sadly that is the reality of Hip Hop today and instead of the new Ghostface getting spins or Meth getting hyped to drop, we hear Soulja Boy or latest wack remix with Jay Z or 50 on it...
See, RZA and Wu went a different path and stayed true to their shit, even with Meth doing movies he stayed true to his shit these other cats though they know that the industry wants certain things and, if you do those things they will let you in and see how they can use you, if not you are a threat and will not be allowed to have that large of a appeal(i.i. no push, no promo, no guest spots on radio friendly joints, etc)...
Ironically Biggie was the start of this shit that continue with Jigga, Mase, 50 etc. I know that Wu disliked Biggie back in the day for this and other reasons. Biggie was the alpha of the commercial corporate controlled quasi-gangsta rapper, and they only adjusted and perfected what they wanted afterwards as far as appealing to more pop fans. He set another horrible trend with some of the most questionably gay lines I have ever heard(you look so good I would suck your daddy's dick, Nigga call me pussy, I dare you to stick your dick in it, Etc), thus opening the door to homo-Hop, I mean the shit he introduced to the game knows no bounds...
I am just pointing out unpopular facts here. Sadly enough, I have heard every published song from Biggie at least once and it never captured me in one bit, Because of that I felt Like I wasted my time. Is their an occasional Biggie song I like? Yes.. but they are few, Biggie Duets was possibly in the top 10 worst albums I have ever heard. His catalog has the least substance and variety of any rapper I have ever heard that gets continual play, or is considered a legend. Hell, Hammer had a broader topic range and reached just as many people. Biggie cannot compete With Nas, Scarface, Ice Cube, Rakim, Spice 1, KRS 1, the list goes on. Even if you restrict their music to what was released up till his death he was far outshined and overrated by NYC biased fans. Entertainment is politics if you ever dealt with the business you should know enough to know that now. It is all the same structuring and finding a message that grips people in any business, movies, music, politics, hell, even religion, all heads of Cerberus...
No record will uplift Hip Hop at this point. The current administration must be completely overthrown and the power structure rebuilt that is the only way to "Save Hip Hop" to do that the roots of the problem must be pointed out and addressed so maybe this is just the beginning...
Overthrow them and make whatever music you want, or do not study and address the issues of the past and be damned to repeat them and just bitch about how fucked up shit is. I am sick of the same shit, so I am at step one addressing the fucked up history of shit and challenging a false Ideal that is rarely ever addressed...
False Idols= Biggie Smalls...
What makes shit worse is mature discussions cannot be had on the subject sadly because his controllers and minions have to much pull and do silent kill on threads exposing him, then you have his premo-smoking dick riders, taking it off subject and refusing to address points like his unlimited pass on all things he does from tricking to gay rhymes, questionable attire, to lack of material. No one cares that his material does not age well like other true greats and can only be listened to continually, if you are stuck in a time warp for a small region that adored him. His contemporaries during his era had far greater overall bodies of work and Hip Hop ability. I can and have named tons of rappers that match and supersede him during and before his time most from the East Coast. But these kitty cats in there childish rants take it to lying, crying and falsifying everything so I respond in kind. Seriously though, my 13 year old is more cultured then most of these cats, including the mods that keep killing these threads with no explanation or justification...
Biggie knew what he was doing when he sold out, he knew what he was doing when he wrote gay rhymes, he knew what he was doing when he signed to Puffy. Puffy was the master mind behind exploiting Biggie, but Biggie was happy to be pimped. If you really understood what I was talking about, you would get that Biggie is a justified phase and symptom of a bigger problem in the game. I have extensively pointed that out. Just like I also pointed out it is not about hating on the East of NYC, but rather the mainstream administration that runs the game currently. Biggie was used as a springboard for the corporate execs to take over and control Hip Hop. The creativity and diversity is less then half of what was before Biggie and there are 10 times as many rappers. It is the McDonald's affect. Hammer was a beta run Biggie was the full live launch of the shit, and it became Jigga 2.0 50 3.0, etc...

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What do ya'll think about this?

This dumbasses here.......


Biggie only had 2 albums. I still don't think he's goat, but dude's talking like Biggie is still alive and controlled who was on the Duets album. Fuck outta here. Everyone is always riding Biggie/Pac. Would they if they were still alive? We'll never know.......


I know Crooklyn and Steve wrote this.

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Originally Posted by Throwback Kid This dumbasses here....... Biggie only had 2 albums. I still don't think he's goat, but dude's talking like Biggie is still alive and controlled who was on the Duets album. Fuck outta here. Everyone is always riding Biggie/Pac. Would they if they were still alive? We'll never know....... I know Crooklyn and Steve wrote this.

Nah..it wasn't them..but somebody else from another Hip Hop forum I was observing..did you read everything?

Yeah I did Blaze

*PUFFS CIGAR*

lol homo-hop

*PUFF*

Obviously this guy is above everyone else in terms of hip-hop knowledge and we're just not intelligent enough to understand how true what he's sayin' is..

But no, really... Big wasn't a mediocre rapper and didn't have limited scope.

And from the way this guy is talkin' about loyalty, he's probably biased towards Pac/against Biggie.. which just makes me discredit the other things he says even more, specially where he condemns Big for selling out as if Tupac didn't do the same.

Biggie used a talent to make something of his life, which is hardly an attribute of a "false idol". So he made (good) music about guns, women and money, there was more to his catalogue than that. Songs like Juicy and Sky's the Limit talk about how he'd achieved, got fame/money etc. but they're not "look what I've got and what you haven't" tracks, they were telling listeners they could/should do the same, which explains his influence and the inspiration he gave people… not saying he was always all about helping kids achieve their dreams, but having heard those songs, it’s stupid to think he was out there tryna have a negative influence on people.

The whole "If you really understood what I was talking about..." shit is just off-putting from his argument. Sounds like some elitist who doesn't like Biggie so he decided to connect a load of made up dots to say that Biggie ruined hip-hop

big wasn't a mediocre rapper, i think he might be overrated to some degree (he's not the GOAT) but he really took alot of stuff that was popular at the time and was either able to elevate it or turn it into something that went across all of hip hop, here are some examples:

the "Frank White" stuff: rae and ghost were all over that first, however they didn't have the MTV backing, biggie did and was able to turn it into a trend that elevated all through hip-hop

cool club rap: if you wanted to go out to a club and dance to hip-hop you were gonna listen to c&c music factory, marky mark and a bunch of other trash...biggie made songs like big poppa, hypnotize, and juicy (even if it wasnt intended to be a club song)

introspective commentaries: biggie is by no means the best here, but songs like everyday struggle showed how he was able to put his troubled past into lyrics

story telling abilities: n***** bleed is sick as hell

anyone who thinks biggie was mediocre/average is an ignorant asshole, and while i only read part of that (sorry Blaze) he seems to fit that classification

I don't agree with any people who think if BIG was still here hip-hop would be different, or better. But he was not mediocre by any means.